Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Three refusals to Europe will make hurdles in going abroad? What about issuing a new passport then.?

i have three refusals, 1 foe spain tourist visa and other 2 of greece family visa. shall these refusals create problems in getting any visa of any country or shall i make a new passport . please help.|||A new passport would not help since the visa refusals are entered in the computer system of the Schengen countries. It depends on the reason of the refusal whether you will get a visa for other Schengen countries. Should it just have been missing documentation or insufficient funds you may try to forward a straightforward, complete application supported with proper documentation. Should the reason for the refusal however be based on forged documentation or untrue statements made a new application would be senseless..





Edit: [based on the contribution of my dear friend Jean-Michel]





Actually visa denials are not entered in the Schengen Information System (SIS). The SIS database contains the following data:


1. alerts aiming at refusing entry or stay of third country i.e. non-EU member nationals,


2. alerts on persons wanted for arrest and surrender or extradition on grounds of the European arrest warrant,


3. alerts on disappeared persons,


4. alerts on persons wanted for judicial procedure (persons summoned to appear before the judicial authorities in connection with criminal proceedings, persons who are to be served with a criminal judgment, witnesses)


5. alerts issued for the purposes of discreet surveillance or of specific checks concerning persons and objects,


6. alerts on objects sought for the purposes of seizure or use as evidence in criminal proceedings.


Alerts as stated in para 1. always will be based on prior break of law in a Schengen country, like illegal overstay or will be based on results of intelligence operations.





A second automated system, the Visa Information System (VIS) is in progress to be established. It will contain all visa denial data as well as the fingerprints of visa applicants. At present manual consulting between Schengen countries is required prior to a visa issue, hence all denial data are available at the Ministries of Foreign Affairs of the individual Schengen countries. The problem is that in France, Germany, Italy, or Spain grounds for refusal did not have to be communicated. This will be subject to change effective the 5th of April 2010 when the EU visa code gets into effect.


http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesActi… ..





I'm afraid the asker is a victim of the system and the unbalanced distribution of resources on earth.|||Having read this and your other two questions and the excellent replies from my good friends “GP, Bla Bla %26amp; Carajillo” I seem to be finding more questions than answers, to that end I am inclined to agree with their thoughts especially as you have been refused by two countries. Firstly, even though you do not provide us with your nationality it seems very strange that you say your husband has been in Greece for the past 10 years. Really makes me wonder if he is legally entitled to be there - sorry but I have to ask that question as it is usual for the spouse to be granted access to visit.





Then there is the question, why were you refused a “tourist” visa for Spain!! Again I am asking myself the question – “WHY”? To which I can only think of three scenarios:


1.An attempt has been made to enter the “Schenegen Area” without the correct paperwork and been refused entry. In which case the question to be asked is: Have you a refused entry stamp in your passport?


2.You or someone close to you is or has been on the “persona non-grata” list on the database.


3.You have committed an offence in your own country that would preclude entry into the Schenegen Area.





The only course of action I feel is open to you, “GP” please correct me if I err, is to apply to the “Schenegen State” of your choice and ask to see this information about you held on the Schenegen Information System database – having it corrected should there be an error. Note: The error can only be corrected by the country entering the incorrect information





EDIT: To my good friend GP, thank you for the corrections and the explanations..|||If you have been refused three visas, then the reason has to be a serious one. If you can't resolve that reason then you will always have a problem.|||I'd be wondering why you were refused, me.

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